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Hi,
I admire Spong and the concept of progressive christianity. The real meaning of Jesus' teachings has purified my soul,namely humanity.
But i'm still confused about how i can differenciate between the messages from the NT writers and Jesus.
For example,did the writers lie or exaggerate about the miracles and resurrection, things like that?
or did they just create a figure like Jesus to make a new religion? What do you guys think?

 
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written by Cathi,
Hi Mosaic. The NT writers were using a literary style of writing called midrash. You might wish to read some of Dom Crossan's works to learn about
how writers of this era tried to relate their experiences of the divine and to convey truth. Have a look at the following explanation of midrash from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash

Most (not all) of the NT writers were jewish and remained jewish but with new christian understandings.
After the fall of the temple in 70 CE, the more orthodox jews and the newer sect of christian jews were increasingly at odds.
Eventually they completely separated - especially as the movement grew and attracted a number of gentiles (non-jews).
We can see the struggles that the early communities experienced in the writings of the Acts of the Apostles and obviously in the anti-Semitic ideas presented in some of the gospels.

Your question may also be if Jesus is an archetypal character. I do not believe that Jesus is archetypal however certainly the Christ figure is.
The Christ is the hero - although in this case not the normal hero. He was a nobody - that is what made it so different.
A nobody was claimed as divine by his friends. It was a transformational belief and not one that was expected as Messiah.

Thanks for your questions. Hopefully we can get some additional responses.

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595 °£´ÜÇÑ ±×¸²À¸·Î º» ¼­¾çÀΰú µ¿¾çÀÎÀÇ »ýÈ°¹æ½Ä Â÷ÀÌÁ¡ (7) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 8297 03-17
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589 Ç¥ÁØ»õ¹ø¿ª ¼º°æ¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ºñÆÇ[Æß]Àε¥, ´Ù¸¥ Çؼ®À̳ª ¿À·ù°¡ ÀÖ´Ù¸é Àâ¾ÆÁÖ½Ç ¼ö ÀÖ´Ù¸é ºÎŹµå¡¦ (4) »ç¶û¹ý 10036 03-11
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586 ·ù»óÅ´Բ² µå¸®´Â ±Û-Á×Àº ½Å, Á×Àº ¿¹¼ö¸¦ ºÙÀâ°í ÀÖ´Â ±×´ë¿¡°Ô (11) ÇѼÖÀÌ 6939 03-07
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584 21¼¼±â¿¡µµ Á¾±³´Â ²À ÇÊ¿äÇÑ°¡? (8) Mosaic 8587 03-06
583 ±è±âµ¿ ¼º¶ô±³È¸ ÇÇÇØÀÚ ¼ö±â (2) hosanna 7023 03-05
582 Çѱ۷Π½±°Ô Ǭ <´ëÇѵ¶¸³¼±¾ð¼­> ÇѼÖÀÌ 4908 03-04
581 [ÆÛ³¯¶óÁֽʽÿä!] MBC ³ëÁ¶°¡ Àü¼¼°è¿¡ ÀüÇÏ´Â UCC (1) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 5017 03-03
580 ¸ðÀÚ잌ÀÌ ÀÌ·± ÃÊÂ¥ Áú¹®À» °í¼ö¿¡°Ô Çß´õ´Ï... (10) Mosaic 6818 03-02
579 ½Å±æµ¿ ¼º¶ô±³È¸ 1200¾ï¿ø´ëÀÇ ¿¹¹è´ç °ÇÃàÀÇ Áø½Ç (6) hosanna 22247 02-28
578 ¿À·ù (24) Mosaic 8982 02-28
577 Á¦°¡ È¥ÀÚ À̸® ³î¾Æµµ ¿ë¼­µÈ´Ù¸é ¸¶Å©½º º¸±×ÀÇ ¸»À» ¿Ã·Áº¾´Ï´Ù. (2) Mosaic 6634 02-25
576 Àü ¾Æ¹«¸® »ý°¢Çصµ È­ÀÌÆ®Çìµå´Â... (15) Mosaic 8853 02-24
575 Spong °¡¶ó»ç´ë.. (4) Mosaic 6844 02-23
574 Àо¶ó½Ã´ø ±¸¾àÀÇ ¹ýÁ¤½ÅÀ» Àоú´Âµ¥¿ä. (9) Mosaic 8965 02-22
573 ½ÅÀÌ Çй®À¸·Î ¿¬±¸°¡ µÇ´Â ´ë»óÀԴϱî? (3) Mosaic 5480 02-21
572 ¼º°æÀ» ¹®ÀÚ ±×´ë·Î Çؼ®¸»¶ó´Â°Ç ÁÁÀº ¹æ¹ýÀϱî? (3) Mosaic 8243 02-21
571 ³²¼ºÆí·Â & ¿©¼ºÆí·Â (2) û¸¶ 7454 02-21
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569 " ¹Ì·¡¿¡¼­ ¿Â ±âµ¶±³" (3) û¸¶ 8043 02-16
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567 ½ÅÀÇ Á¸À縦 ¾î¶»°Ô È®½ÅÇÒ ¼ö ÀÖÀ»±î¿ä? (3) meteoros 8225 02-13
566 ¾î´À À¯¸í À¥ºí·Î±× »çÀÌÆ®¿¡ '¼¼±â¿¬'¿¡ ´ëÇØ ½á ³õÀº ±Û.. ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 45141 02-12
565 ±³È¸¸¦ ¶°³­ ºÐµéÀ» À§ÇÑ ÀÎÅÍ³Ý ´ÙÀ½Ä«Æä..... (1) ÀºÇ೪¹« 5090 02-08
564 °³Á¾±³À°¸ñ»ç, ´ë¹ý¿ø ÆÇ°á¹ú±Ý ÈÄ¿ø¸ð±Ý ¹ú¿© È­ÀÌÆ® 4896 02-06
563 Çѱ¹È­ÀÌÆ®ÇìµåöÇÐÇÐȸ 2009 °Ü¿ï ÄÝ·ÎÅ°¿È ¾È³» ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 5588 02-06
562 ÀÌÁ¦ Àִ°Í-¿¾Àû¿¡ ÀÖ¾ú°í (2) Á¤°ü 5225 02-05
561 (Æß)¸í¹Úµµ¸¦ ¾Æ½Ê´Ï±î? (2) »ê¼öÀ¯ 4713 02-01
560 "Àüö¿¬"Àº ¿ÜºÎ¼¼·Â, ¿ë¿ªÀº ³»ºÎ¼¼·Â ¸Â´Ù (±è¹Î¿õ) ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 4802 01-27
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558 °³Çõ±Ùº»ÁÖÀǰųª ¶Ç ´Ù¸¥ ÇüÅÂ¿Í À̸§ÀÇ Æø·ÂÀ̶󱸿ä? (2) ¾ç±ØÈ­ÇØ¼Ò 5925 01-25
557 ¿¹¼ö¿Í ¹¬ÀÚ¿¡ ´ëÇؼ­ Á» ºñ±³Çغ¸´Ï (4) °Å½Ã±â 5880 01-23
556 ÁÖ ³ÊÀÇ Çϳª´ÔÀ» ½ÃÇèÄ¡ ¸»¶ó (1) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 6192 01-19
555 °­Á¦ °³Á¾±³À°ÇÇÇØÀÚ¿¬´ë, ÇѱâÃÑ ¾Õ¿¡¼­ ´ë±Ô¸ð ½ÃÀ§!! (3) È­ÀÌÆ® 6102 01-18
554 ±âµµ°¡ ÇØ°áÇØÁشٰí? ¹Ùº¸¾ß, ¹®Á¦´Â Á¤Ä¡¾ß! Ä¡³ë 5831 01-15
553 <³ª, ¹ö¸± °ÍÀΰ¡ ãÀ» °ÍÀΰ¡>¿¡ ´ëÇÑ ¹æ¼Û ÀÏÁ¤ Á¤º¸ ¹Ì¼±ÀÌ 7385 01-15
552 Á¤Çâ (23) Á¤°ü 7307 01-15
551 ±æ (7) °Å½Ã±â 5385 01-14
550 ÆÈ·¹½ºÅ¸ÀÎ Âü»ó¿¡¼­ Çѱ¹ ±³È¸°¡ º¸Àδ٠(3) Ä¡³ë 6079 01-13
549 »ç¶÷ÀÌ ¶±À¸·Î¸¸ »ì °ÍÀÌ ¾Æ´Ï¿ä (1) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 7065 01-12
548 ¿ìµµ´Ô »ç¶û¹æ¿¡ ³î·¯°¬´Ù°¡ (28) °Å½Ã±â 8394 01-10
547 ÀÎ, ³ªÆÈ, ´ëÁ¢ Àç¾ÓÀÇ ¿¬´ë ¹®Á¦ (1) È­ÀÌÆ® 6411 01-09
546 [1/22 Àú³á7:30] ´ëÈ­¸¶´ç <ÀÏÁ¦°í»ç³í¶õ°ú °øÁ¤Åñ³À°°¨ÀÇ ±³À°Á¤Ã¥> Artizen 4343 01-09
545 ±â°¡ ¸·È÷°Å³ª, ±â°¡ Â÷°Å³ª, ±â°¡ Áװųª. (12) °Å½Ã±â 6549 01-08
544 ¸ðµç ÀǸ¦ ÀÌ·ç´Â °ÍÀÌ ÇÕ´çÇϴ϶ó (3) »ì°íÀÚÇϴ¡¦ 5970 01-08
543 ¼­·Î ¿ÀÇØ¿Í Â÷À̸¦ ÁÙÀÌ°íÀÚ. (3) °Å½Ã±â 4833 01-07
542 »õÇØ Ã¹³¯ ±è¼ö¿µ´ÔÀÇ ¡®Çª¸¥ ÇÏ´ÃÀ»¡¯À̶ó´Â ½Ã°¡ ¸Ó¸®¿¡¼­ ¶°³ªÁö ¾Ê´Â±º¿ä. (1) ÃÖâȣ 5015 01-01
541 "»õÇØ ¼Ò¿ø? ù°µµ µÑ°µµ 'MB ¾Æ¿ô'!" (4) ÃÖâȣ 5279 01-01
540 À±È¸ Àü»ý¿¡ ´ëÇÏ¿© (3) Á¤°ü 7776 12-30
539 ±âµ¶´çÀÇ ÇØü û¿ø ¼­¸íºÎŹµå·Á¿ä (3) ¶ó¸¶¸£¼¼¿¹¡¦ 6176 12-29
538 °æÇã¼±»ç Âü¼±°î Á¤°ü 6215 12-29
537 ¶Ç Áú¹® µå¸®³×¿ä~^^ (14) faith.Kim 7125 12-28
536 Áú¹®ÀÖ½À´Ï´Ù.^^ (4) LJH 5530 12-26
535 °¡ÀÔÀλç ^^* (7) ÃÖ½ÂÇö 5531 12-26
534 »óó¿Í ¿ë¼­ (11) ÃÖâȣ 5549 12-26
533 ÃѽŴëÇб³ ½ÅÇаú¿¡ ÀçÇÐÁßÀ̽ŠºÐ²²¼­ ¿Ã·ÁÁֽŠ»ó´ã ¹®ÀÇ¿Í ´äº¯ ³»¿ë °ü¸®ÀÚ 7357 12-24
532 ºÎÈïÁýȸ Âü°ü±â – ±³È¸´Â °¡³­ÇÑ »ç¶÷µé¿¡°Ô ÀúÁÖ (6) ¼ö¸®°í°³ 6354 12-24
531 ¿¹¼öÀÇ À̸§ ºÎ¸¥´Ù°í ´Ù õ±¹ °¡´Â °Ô ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù. (4) »õºñ 5699 12-24
530 ¾Æ´ã°ú ÇÏ¿ÍÀÇ ¼±¾Ç°ú´Â ÇöÀç ÁøÇàÇü...... (2) ¾ÆÆ®¸¸ 5665 12-19
529 º¹À½ÁÖÀÇ´Â ¾îµð¿¡¼­µµ ȯ¿µÀ» ¸ø ¹Þ´Â±º¿ä (6) ÅëÀüÀû ½Å¡¦ 5457 12-18
528 ÀÚ·á½Ç¿¡ ÀÖ´Â ¸»¼®´ÔÀÇ ´ñ±ÛÀ» ÀÚÀ¯Åä·Ð±¤ÀåÀ¸·Î ¿Å°Ü³õ½À´Ï´Ù. (7) °ü¸®ÀÚ 5984 12-17
527 "¹Ý±âµ¶±³ ¾ð·Ð ¸Â¼­ ±âµ¶±³ Á¤ÀÇ ¼¼¿ì°Ú´Ù" (2) ¸¼À½ 6020 12-14
526 ±³È¸ ´Ù´Ñ´Ù°í ´Ù õ±¹ °¡´Â °Ô ¾Æ´Õ´Ï´Ù. (13) »õºñ 6321 12-12
525 ¡°À뱂 Áþ¹â´Â ¸ñ»ç ó¹úÇÏ°í Á¾±³ ÀÚÀ¯ º¸ÀåÇÏ¶ó¡± (1) ¸¼À½ 5043 12-09
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